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Name: |
Wahl, Conrad |
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born on / in: |
10 June 1814 |
Bavaria / Berleburg / CA Germany / Germany / France / Schüllar
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baptized on / in: |
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Confession: |
Catholic. Jason Wahl, Ohio, USA,
great-great-great-grandson of Conrad Wahl, writes: Conrad is buried in the
front row of a Catholic Church. So I am certain, he was Catholic, not Protestant. |
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died on / in: |
24 June 1857 |
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buried on / in: |
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Job/ Profession: |
Farmer |
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Remarks: |
The
following remarks and lists sum up the research results of 49 users published
in ancestry.de. The summary closes with a personal evaluaton of the published
results as well as a conclusion on the basis of the research until now. |
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Predominantly
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Overall
ancestry-uses state that Conrad Wahl was born in |
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The
date or his death is also controversial. Predominantly it is believed to be |
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Generally,
Center, |
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In
the data sheets published on ancestry.de the following fathers of Conrad Wahl
are offered: Johann Henrich Wahl (1778 – 1839) Johann Jakob Wahl (1766 – 1839) Johannis Philippus Wahl (1773 –
1839) Johannis
Wahl (without dates) Johannis
Wahl (1773 – 1839) Johannis
Wahl (1778 – 1839) Johannis
Wahl (1823 - ) 32
users provide no information about his wife. |
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Johann
Henrich Wahl (1778 – 1839) |
In
one case Johann Henrich Wahl (1778 – 1839) is stated as
his father. He was married to Sophia Henk, as document 213-HR from the
marriage registry in the church community of Berleburg dated |
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Johann
Jakob Wahl (1766 – 1839) |
Johann Jakob Wahl (1766 – 1839), son of Georg Christian
Wahl und Katharina Elisabeth Stöcker, allegedly married to Sophia Wahl (23. Mai 1790 – 11. January 1858) as well as to Maria Gertrud Herling
(1763 – 1790) and – after their deaths – to her sister Anna Gertrud Herling
(1790 – 1828). Fact
is that Johann Jakob Wahl was married to Maria Gertrud and Anna Gertrud (1770
(!) – 1828) Herling. In both marriages altogether 9 children were born. There
is no son named Conrad among them. A marriage to Sophia Wahl is not mentioned
in the documents. |
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Johannis
Wahl (1773 – 1839) |
Two
users give the name of Johannis Wahl (1773 – 1839) as his father. In the Miller
Family Tree there is no information about his parents. In the Amy horne
family tree Johannes Wahl and Maria Magdalena Richstein
are stated. In both cases the birth dates match with the ones of Johannes
Philipp Wahl; this has to be rejected as a mistake. However, the dates of
their deaths are not identical. Johannes Philipp Wahl died In
both cases Anna Sophia Wahl (1790 – 1858) is mentioned as his wife. The names
of her parents are not known. Fact
is that Johannes Wahl and Maria Magdalena Richstein had no sons with the
names Johann Jakob or Johannes Philipp. Their children were named Ludwig
Friedrich, born 1775 und Johann Henrich, born |
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Johannis
Wahl (without dates) |
According
to ancestry.de , the parents of Johannis Wahl (without dates) are not known. |
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Johannis
Philippus Wahl (1773 – 1839) |
According
to ancestry.de, Johannis Philippus Wahl (1773 – 1839), the alleged son of Johannes
Wahl (1747 - ) and Maria Magdalena Richstein, was married to Anna Sophia Wahl
(1768 – 1858) with whom he is said to have had 3 children. However,
in reality Johannes Philipp Wahl was a son of Johann Georg
Wahl and Anna Elisabeth
Fischer. Fact is that he died on Additionally,
it is proven that Johann Philipp was married to Anna Maria (Margarete) König,
with whom he had 9 children. There is no son named Conrad among them. |
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Johannis
Wahl (1778 – 1839) |
According
to Brooke’s Family Tree, Johannis Wahl (1778 – 1839) was married to Sophia (without
dates). Bush / Brown Family Tree and Gredy Family mention Sophia (1790 –
1858) as his wife. Leopold and Fisher Family Tree talk about Sophia Henk
(1779 – 1938). In the Clarc Family Tree and Lingamen Gedcom it is believed to
be Anna Sophia Vick (1790 – 1858). In the Keollner Family Tree it is Sophia
Wahl. With the exception of the Leopold and Fisher Family Tree there are no
parents mentioned. Another exception is Lingamen Gedcom, who believes that Johannis
Wahl died on Brooke’s
Family Tree mention Johannis Wahl and Maria Magdalena Richstein as parents
(both without any dates). In the Clarc Family Tree and the Keollner Family
Tree it is believed that Johannes Wahl (1747 - ) and Maria Richstein are his
parents. Finally,
Leopold and Fisher Family Tree state Johannes Wahl (1747 - ) and Anna Maria
Richstein (1750 - ) as parents. The date of the death of their son Johann Henrich is identical with the one of Johannis Wahl.
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Johannis
Wahl (1823 – ) |
In
the case of Johannis Wahl (1823 (!) – ) there is no comment necessary. |
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There
is contradictory information about Conrad Wahl’s mother, too: Anna Sophia
Vick (1790 – 1858) Anna
Sophia Wahl (1768 – 1858) Anna
Sophia Wahl (1790 – 1858) Sophia
(without dates) Sophia
(1790 – 1858) Sophia
Henk (1779 – 1839) Sophia
Vick (1825 – ) Sophia
Wahl (without dates) Sophia
Wahl (1790 – 1858) In
32 cases there is no information provided about his mother.
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Anna
Sophia Vick (1790 – 1858) |
According
to ancestry.de, Anna Sophia Vick (1790 – 1858) was married to Johannis Wahl
(1778 – 1839). The fact that the dates match leads to the conclusion that Anna
Sophia Vick, Anna Sophia Wahl (1790 – 1858) und Sophia (1790 – 1858) refer to
the same person. The
years given for Johannis Wahl (1778 – 1839) match with those of
Johann Henrich Wahl. However, the latter was married to
Sophia Henk, as proven by the marriage registry of Berleburg for the year
1796. Among their children there is no Conrad.
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Anna
Sophia Wahl (1768 – 1858) |
According
to ancestry.de, Anna Sophia Wahl (1768 – 1858) was the
daughter of Georg Wahl and Anna Elisabeth Schneider, the alleged wife of Johannis
Philippus Wahl (1773 – 1830) with whom she is supposed to have had the
children Ludwig (1807 – 1849) and Conrad. In
reality she was married to Johann Jost Weyand (1768 – 1893) and – after his
death – to Johann Heinrich Weyand (1774 – 1827), both of them were from Schameder.
It is finally true that Ludwig Wahl’s parents were Johann
Henrich Wahl and Sophia Henk, which is proved by the document 138-GR (birth
registry Berleburg 1807). The
question whether it is possible for Anna Sophia Wahl with her 46 years of age
to become a mother, might be decided the dear reader. |
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Anna
Sophia Wahl (1790 – 1858) |
In
Amy horne family tree Anna Sophia Wahl’s (1790 – 1858) parents are Georg Wilhelm Wahl (1727 – 1775) and Anna Elisabeth
Schneider (1726 – 1803). Although the couple had two children with the name
Anna Sophie, born on 21 June 1767 and on 16 September 1768, there is no
mentioning of a daughter named Anna Sophia, who – according to ancestry.de –
was born on 23 May 1790 (!). In
Miller Family Tree no parents of Anna Sophia Wahl are stated. In
both cases Johannis Wahl, born on According
to the sources, Hermann Sommer is the illegitimate child of Sophie Sommer, who was married to Johann Philipp Wahl on 15 Mai 1814. On the basis of the
data sheet one can see that the couple did not have a child named Conrad. |
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Sophia
(without dates) |
According
to ancestry.de, Sophia’s parents, who was married to Johannis Wahl (1778 –
1839), are not known. The stated years of Johannis Wahl are identical with
those of Johann Henrich Wahl. Obviously she is falsely
mistaken for Sophia Henk. |
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Sophia
(1790 – 1858) |
Bush
/ Brown Family Tree and Grady Family Tree state that Sophia (1790 – 1858) is
Conrad Wahl’s mother. Sophia’s parents are obviously unknown. In
fact, Sophia was the daughter Johann Johann Jakob Wahl
and Maria Elisabeth Herling. She was married to Johann Jost Weyandt from
Erndtebrück on |
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Sophia
Henk (1779 – 1839) |
Sophia Henk (1779 – 1839) was married to Johann Henrich
Wahl, as proven by document 213-HR. The couple had 9 children whose birth
dates are documented. A son named Conrad is not among them. |
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Sophia
Vick (1825 – ) |
With
respect to Sophia Vick (1825 (!) – ) as well as with reference to her alleged
husband Johannis Wahl (1823 – ), there is no comment necessary. |
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Sophia
Wahl (without dates) |
Johannis
Wahl (1778 – 1839) is mentioned as the husband of Sophia Wahl (without dates).
Parents are unknown. On this basis, it has to be concluded that she is
identical with Anna Sophia Vick (1790 – 1858), Anna Sophia Wahl (1790 – 1858)
and Sophia (1790 – 1858). |
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Sophia
Wahl (1790 – 1858) |
Sophia Wahl (1790 – 1858), is obviously identical with Anna
Sophia Vick (1790 – 1858), Anna Sophia Wahl (1790 – 1858) and Sophia (1790 –
1858). According to ancestry.de, she was married to Johann Jakob Wahl (1766 –
1839); her parents are not mentioned. In
fact, her parents were Johann Jakob Wahl and Maria Elisabeth
Herling. She was married to Johann Jost Weyandt (1786 – 1846). |
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wife/ husband: |
Greiner, Margaret (Maria
Catherina Margaretha / Mary / Mary Catherine Margaretta / Mary Katherine Margaretta) |
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born on / in: |
15 June 1818 |
Alsace, France |
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married on / in: |
21 January 1838 |
Belmont, Ohio, United States |
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died on / in: |
06 July 1900 |
Center,
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remarks: |
Without any
exception Johannes Francis Greiner ( |
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There is a
slight variation with respect to the first names of the husband if one looks
at ancestry.de. |
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children: |
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evaluation of the data (list of
ancestry-users) |
However,
with respect to number, names and dates of the children there are remarkable
differences. The numbers in the last column show how often these names are
mentioned in the data sheets. |
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Wahl, Molly |
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1838 – 1928 |
Wahl, Maria Katherine |
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1840 – 1910 |
Wahl, George |
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1840 – 1910 |
Wahl, Johannes George |
4 |
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1841 – 1917 |
Wahl, Mary (Catherine) |
13 |
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1842 – 1921 |
Wahl,
Lena / Magdalena „Lena“ / Magdalena / Magdalene
(Lena) |
22 |
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1843 – 1948 |
Wahl, Tillia Conrad |
9 |
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1844 – 1933 |
Wahl, Lena Magdalena |
6 |
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1845 – 1922 |
Burkhart, Barbara |
2 |
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1847 – 1917 |
Wahl, George |
2 |
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1847 – 1917 |
Wahl, John |
12 |
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1849 – 1922 |
Wahl, Barbara |
16 |
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1850 – 1858 |
Wahl, Christina |
10 |
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1851 – 1972 |
Wahl, Adam |
12 |
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1854 – 1942 |
Wahl, Peter |
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1855 - ? |
Wahl, Hannah |
9 |
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1855 - 1933 |
Wahl, Johanna Hannah |
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1857 – 1955 |
Wahl, Philomena |
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Comment: |
The
evaluation of all information about Conrad Wahl and his parents shows that
ancestry.de may sometimes lead to an unchecked collection of data which is
then inserted into the family trees – often without taking into account
genealogical or biological facts. Sources are usually not provided. However,
if there is a source given – for example in the case of Leopold and Fisher
Family Tree – unfortunately it cannot be guaranteed that the information is
correct. The information that Konrad Wahl is a son of Johann
Henrich Wahl und Sophia Henk is proven to be false. Obviously, anncestry.de
copied an entry as a so-called source without checking its correctness. |
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In
a letter from 23 October 2012 the Landeskirchliche Archiv der Evangelischen
Kirche von Westfalen confirmed that a baptims of Conrad Wahl could not be
found in Berleburg (Schüllar is part of that). An
additional check with Jochen Karl Mehldau, who collected all persons in his „Wittgensteiner
Familiendatei“ who were born in the Wittgenstein area between 1623 and 1875, confirmed
that there was only one (Johann) Conrad Wahl who was baptized on 21 April
1784 in Berleburg and who died on 26 January 1749 in Berleburg. On this basis
it is impossible to believe that Conrad Wahl was born in Berleburg or its
surrounding. Neither was he a son of the above mentioned parents. http://genforum.genealogy.com/wahl/messages/170.html
provides some interesting information in which it is written: “Conrad supposedly
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